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James Pate

Wow! Blast from the past! :D

Breaker Morant 2

First I want to say that I love the connection to the burrs. More specifically the quote “if you are not covered with burrs after a stroll through Scripture, you are only pretending to have made your way through the text”. I really agree with this statement and I think that even if you don’t understand it completely you should still come out of reading scripture with either questions or a thought that you did not have before. I am a little confused at the part about justice and just retaliation. Perhaps I am reading it incorrectly. My opinion on justice is that someone did something wrong and now they need to “pay for it” for lack of a better term whereas just retaliation to me means that no harm was done and people are fighting just because. Therefore warfare for justice would make sense to me as commissioned by God especially but warfare for just retaliation does not quite seem fair or like something God would command.

Dead Man Walking 2

I would like to start by applauding Mr. Bulkeley for his thought provoking statement that ‘that biblical writers do not “correctly understood and interpreted what they tell us.”’ It drives to the heart of many issues that seem to plague the Bible, or at least my understanding of it. A book that was written many years after the events is the same as me looking through a glass of muddy water and then drawing a picture of you and claiming it as a photograph of you. It just can’t be done. To come back to the topic I would say that I do not agree that retributive justice is not enough. I think that it really is. An eye for an eye is fine by me. If a guy takes out my eye there is no need for me to take out his eye and his legs while I’m at it. That just makes me the aggressor and continues the cycle of violence.

Chariots of Fire 2

I agree with DMW 2 about Mr. Bulkeley's statement. I do however feel that each person interprets the Bible in their own way and when he says that biblical writers do not, "correctly understood and interpreted what they tell us" I look at it in a good way. I think that people that read the Bible should look at in their own viewpoint when things are left out of the passage or chapter.

Truman Show 2

I am not really sure that God commanded that “type” of war because in any war there is always some kind of innocent suffering involved. I believe that God commanded a war just like any other war. I can see how some might think that because of his anger with Saul when he spared king Agag and the best of the sheep, cattle, and all that was valuable. I would be angry too because they did it for selfish reasons and Saul did it in fear of the people. Notice it did not say that they spared the children and women whom most think of as innocent. If in in disobedience to God he killed them on his own account and felt no remorse. This revolving around the hypocritical statements you mentioned. If you think about most of the past wars and the current issue with Bin Laden many wars have been fought in retaliation. I too believe this is acceptable in some cases.

Dead Man Walking 3

A scary thought to have in religion is how true is it? There are things that shouldn’t be taken literally and others that have been changed over the years it has been remade. 1 Samuel 15 is confusing because we do not know how much we can trust Samuel. Samuel says God wanted Saul to kill everyone and everything of the Amalekites. He says this because the Amalekites oppose sharing the Promised Land with the Israelites. He does not like that Saul took over but plundered it in a way that he kept the cattle of their people for himself. I like Tim Bulkeley’s view in that Samuel might be lying to them. The bible is a mysterious book and I do not get this passage contradicting Gods supposed love for everyone and savior role. After reading the session 14 blog posts on PETA and the bible I see that the animals are just as important and they are considered equal to the people. I also see Saul’s view in how he hears that he has to take over this town, and he tries to make some good from it and saves the animals for sacrificing. Samuel says that God wanted Saul to kill everything and that he is not forgiven when Saul asks for it? I am confused on what God really wants, and if it God is really talking through Samuel?

True Grit 2

I am new at reading the bible and what I read in this passage surprised me. I never would have expected God to be the one giving out orders of battle. I agree with Dead Man Walking and Tim Bulkeley on the idea that Samuel was lying to Saul. If he said something differently than what God had said would change the way Saul went to battle. The way Saul looked in the end was selfish for keeping the King and the animals alive. I know that God “commanded him to war,” but I do not understand how God expects him to carry out such a task. I would never be able to kill a man let alone innocent women and children. The article mentioned that people die because they are in close proximity to the one that “needs” to be assassinated but why? It would be like me going to prison for a crime clearly someone else that I may not even know committed. It makes no sense that God would punish those doing nothing wrong.

Pulp Fiction 3

In this book I feel everyone has miscommunication. I fell that Saul did nothing wrong. Yes he was ordered to war, by God, but the clear cut instructions where not given. Saul in a way for me was following his directions, but also trying bring justice to those doing wrong. He didn’t kill the king, because he wanted his death to be fair. As far as the best of the cattle goes, he was bringing them for an offering to God. Is this not what God asks of his followers often? Why would he be upset by this now? That is the part that confuses me, what has Saul done so wrong, that God is upsetting His ways.

Praying with Lior 3

I understand what we talked about in class as far as there not being a ‘tribe’ who has not experienced violence because it is a constant. What I have a hard time understanding is when it is okay to retaliate? And is okay even the proper word? There are several places in the Bible where God commands war, taking out whole nations of people. One such reference is Numbers 31 when God tells Moses to battle the Medianites for their seduction of the Israelites into sexual immorality and idolatry. It became confusing to me how God could command the rules of war in Deuteronomy with a statement of making a peace offering before going to battle, but here in Numbers, it is okay to take out most of a nation because they caused harm. An eye for an eye, perhaps? Must we decide by our own moral compass when it is appropriate to take vengeance?

Truman Show 4

Obviously this situation is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum compared to in the New Testament when Jesus says turn the other cheek. Which makes the question that Praying with Lior 3 brought up about when it's "okay" to retaliate. But just like we talked about in class, these situations were in different context. In the situation with Samuel, God was trying to prove to the Israelites what would happen if they turn corrupt, disobey him, and become evil like the Amalekites did. While what Jesus was talking about was the Romans, who obviously would punish you severely if you tried to retaliate. And turning your cheek, or walking an extra mile would be a perfect way to spite them. In addition the comparison to burrs at the start of the article is true for most Bible passages, but certainly not all of them. Sometimes the lineages and all the long names in the Bible can be pretty boring and easily slip right out of your brain the second after you read it.

Mitchell Powell

Truman Show,

I'm glad that you're working on digging down into the exact details of the statements instead of making this a stereotypical NT. vs. OT issue as some do who forget that Jesus condemned some cities to a fate worse than Sodom's or Gomorrah's.

Sometimes the lineages can seem tedious, but I've found that the better I know my way around the Bible the more interesting they become. I haven't yet reached the point, though, where I can read the first nine chapters of Chronicles with sustained fascination, though, so my claim only goes so far.

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