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Patrick

Hi John,

Your quote appears to be a slightly cleaned up version of what she is supposed to have said.

"Suck it, Jesus, this award is my God now."

Was that "creative editing" done by you or by Time Magazine?

Patrick

Therese Z

I'm baffled. Do you mean that a comment like that should go out on the airwaves so that children can hear it? "S___ it, Jesus, this is my God now?"

The Catholic League isn't stopping her from speaking, it's stopping that "light-hearted comment" (per some of the print media) from polluting the airwaves of a prime-time show families may very well watch.

Someone has to take the place of the network censor, don't you think?

JohnFH

The S____ business, if that is what she said, should be bleeped away. I concur.

Not the rest.

Michele

I agree with you on the censorship. I believe that people should be able to talk about God any way they want. God gave us the freedom to do so, why would we try to take it away?

I think you exhibit a much more charitable view than I did when I blogged about this :-) I guess I'm going to have to repent on my blog and link to you.

JohnFH

Michele,

you made my day. You are a TULIP with a sweet fragrance (see comments section to the Boar's Head Tavern post for the allusion).

Patrick

Hi John,

I'm still curious to know, is that how Time Magazine reported the incident?

Because if it is, that's a form of censorship that I find to be for more duplicitous and dangerous than anything the Catholic League has done.

Patrick

JohnFH

Hi Patrick,

that is how Time magazine reported the incident. Check the link.

I agree with you that if she said what you think she did, and TIME failed to accurately report it, TIME is in the wrong.

But that doesn't excuse the Catholic League.

Here is another example. I lived a long time in Italy. An Italian comic named Roberto Benigni is famous for saying crass things. Religion really isn't his main target, but he's an equal-opportunity offender.

In 1983, he was taken to court and condemned for "turpiloquio, bestemmie e vilipendio alla religione di stato," that is, he said some really mean things about the Catholic religion.

Of course, the fact that the Catholic church used its power to humiliate him in court made the church look bad and Benigni good. Benigni's popularity increased as a result.

It's more consonant with the Gospel for Christians to wince at Kathy Griffin skewering them than for Christians to censor her because she does.

Patrick

Hi John,

I would like to make one clarification. Griffin's remark -- as I related it -- was widely reported by other news organizations.

So it's not a matter of: "if she said what you think she said." It's what she said.

While I would probably agree that in most cases, these types of incidents are hardly worth bothering with.

On the other hand, the Catholic League has just as much right to protest against offensive language as any other group does.

And to do so, is not censorship, it's freedom of speech.

Patrick

Kevin P. Edgecomb

Yes, Kathy Griffin's complete was covered in numerous various different releases. TIME is crap journalism anyway, and this just further confirms it.

This guy's take on it was very funny, I thought. It may be, as he said, due to his high Middle School Humor Index, but I still laughed.

Kevin P. Edgecomb

A fuller quote is this:

A lot of people come up here and they thank Jesus for this award… I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus. He didn’t help me a bit, if was up to Him, Caesar Milan would be up here with that damn dog!… So all I can say is suck it Jesus this award is my god now!
She was offensive to those who've thanked God for their awards, offensive to God Himself and offensive to "Caesar Milan" (whoever that is) and his dog, too.

I'm not surprised that the channel avoided the taped replay of such direct offensiveness. I'm sure her career will have gotten a nice little boost from this stunt, completely in accord with the grasping, self-promoting hunger for attention that is such a part of "the industry."

JohnFH

The bit about Cesar Milan and his dog is pretty funny though.

Kevin, the best way to handle someone like Kathy Griffin, if you want to do more than grin and bear it (a ministry comics perform), is to pay her back in kind, which is what the fellow you quote in an earlier comment does, and with gusto.

Patrick

When it comes to Freedom of Speech and Censorship, maybe we're all looking in the wrong direction.

Take a look at this.

Welcome to FIRE’s Spotlight: The Campus Freedom Resource, where you will find comprehensive information on the state of liberty on America’s campuses

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/5826.html

Patrick

JohnFH

Thanks for the link, Patrick.

I checked out the links regarding the UW-Madison, where I have Catholic friends who are on the front lines protecting the first amendment rights of those on campus.

The links that are there are good, and tell the story of battles won, but there are many others that have been waged, which have not and never will make the pages of a newspaper.

But we have to ask: whose first amendment rights are we willing to fight for? Our own, or everyone's?

Patrick

Hi John,

<< Thanks for the link, Patrick.

My pleasure.

<< whose first amendment rights are we willing to fight for? >>

Everyone's

Patrick

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