The old map of the world of Bible bloggers continues to get a steady stream of hits. Two other lists are available - the canon-within-the-canon list at biblioblogs.com, now in the process of expansion, and the list compiled by anonymous authors – it includes features the list below does not have. On the other hand, the latter list is far from complete. To be sure, neither is this one, but it is more thorough. UPDATE: not to be outdone, in response to this post, the BT50 folks worked through the list I offer below and updated their various lists on its basis. Dethroned for a day, they now rightfully claim to have the longer list again - thanks to my contributions. However:
The classification system and the pigeonholing of particular blogs on BT50 remain tendentious in nature. The list is also marred by material errors of various kinds. On the other hand, BT50's current list is an improvement over its old one, with its ridiculous though entertaining categorization of bloggers on a "very conservative" to "liberal" spectrum. If BT50's list were to integrate into its system a feature of my own list - links to author profiles, in particular, biblioblog interviews and such (for example, autobiographical essays on Alan Lenzi's new site as they become available) - and move toward a classification of blogs that is not built around an essentially false dichotomy between "bibliobloggers" and "related blogs," it might not be necessary, in the future, to post a rival list according to a less tendentious taxonomy (which I have yet to unveil; the list below does not organize blogs into taxa).
In the list below, a “Bible blogger”
is someone who not only blogs about the Bible, its history of interpretation,
and/or cognate disciplines, but also interacts with scholarship in those fields
of study in a sustained, responsible, or beguiling manner. Artsy-fartsies,
linguists, archaeologists, theobloggers, patristic enthusiasts, Judaica
experts, and assorted others known to interact with the subject matter of
biblical studies broadly defined have not been excluded. With few exceptions blogs sponsored by
publishers, societies, and other institutions are not listed here.
This is not a
snooty list. It is a community list. Blogs with academic pretensions authored
by the kind of people one is likely to hear present a paper at an SBL or ASOR
meeting, are of course included, but so are blogs which interact with “Ivory
Tower” blogs on a hit-and-miss basis. The distinction, in any case, is not neat
and clean.
Listing is alphabetical by blog
author’s first name and last name (if necessary, by pseudonym), with blog title
provided. Biblioblogs.com interviews
or “about me” pages where available are a click away under author names; a link
relative to the subject focus if available is a click away under blog titles. An “active” blog
is one in which one can read an average of at least one post per month going
back, if available, the last 6 months. If you think you and your blog belong in
the list, let me know.
Angela
Mooney SoCal Theologica:
Musings from the West Coast
Adam
Shear Tea, Lemon, Old Books
Airton José da Silva
Observatório Bíblico
Alan Lenzi Bible and Ancient Near East
Biblical Scholars and Personal
Religion
Alan Wilson Bishop Alan’s Blog
Andreas Köstenberger Biblical Foundations
Andrei Orlov A Orlov’s Journal
Andrew Bernhard Gospels.net
Andrew Compton The Reformed Reader
Andy Naselli Thoughts on Exegetical, Biblical . . .
Theology/
Andy Rowell Church Leadership Conversations
Angela Roskop
Erisman Imaginary Grace (dormant)
Angie van de Merwe Angie’s Point
Anne (Weekend
Fisher) Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength
Anonymous Dilettante Hobby Horse Blog
Anthony Loke Old Testament Passion
Antonio
Lombatti Pseudoscienze
cristiane antiche e medievali
April DeConick The Forbidden Gospels Blog
Ardel Caneday Biblia Theologica
Aren Maeir The Tell es-Safi/Gath Excavations Weblog
Arie Zwiep The Amsterdam NT Blog
Art Boulet finitum non capax infiniti
Barry
Bandstra Biblicaltext.org
Ben
C. Smith Thoughts on Antiquity
Benjamin Torah Blogga
Ben Witherington Ben Witherington
Bert Jan Lietaert
Peerbolte The Amsterdam NT Blog
Bill Heroman Bible/History Blog
Bill Mounce Bill and Bob’s Log
B. Alexandra Manning Biblical Hebrew Blog
Brant Pitre Singing In The Reign
Brenda
Heyink Joining in the Conversation
Breno Macedo et tunc veniet consummatio
Brent Kercheville Christian
Monthly Standard/
Brian LePort Near Emmaus: Christ and Text
Brian Small Polumeros kai Polutropos
Bryan Bibb Hevel: Chasing after Wind
Bryan
L. The Art of Procrastination
CD-Host Church Discipline
Celucien L. Joseph Theological French/Français
théologique
Charles Ellwood
Jones Ancient World Bloggers Group
The Oriental Institute … History of the
Institution
Persepolis Fortification Archive
Project
Chip (H.
H.) Hardy DailyHebrew.com
Christian Askeland Evangelical Textual
Criticism
Chris Spinks Katagrapho
Christopher Cuddy Christopher Cuddy
Christopher Peterson Biblical Ruminations
(dormant)
Chris Weimer Thoughts on Antiquity
Chris
Zeichmann Thoughts on Antiquity
Chuck
Grantham A ‘Goula Blogger
Claude Mariottini Dr. Claude Mariottini – Professor
of Old Testament
Cláudia Andréa Prata
Ferreira estudos bíblicos
história das Religiões e
Religiosidades
Craig Blomberg New
Testament Musings
Cristian Rata Evedyahu
Cynthia
R. Nielsen Per Caritatem
Damian Caruana Castle of Nutshells
Dan
On Journeying with those in Exile
Daniel Hebrew and Greek Reader
Daniel J. Doleys Text, Community, and Mission
Danny Zacharias Deinde: Discussion and resources for
biblical scholars
Dan Sindlinger Better Bibles Blog
Daniel
B. Wallace Contra
Mundane
Dave (Balashon) Balashon
David B. Capes Pauline Theology
David Bokovoy David Bokovoy
David Croteau Slave of the Word (dormant)
Davide Salomoni Davide’s Notes
David
Frank Better Bibles Blog
David Guttmann Believing is Knowing
David Hymes Hebrew Scriptures
and more
David J.
Larsen Heavenly Ascents
David Koyzis The Genevan Psalter
David Lang Accordance Bible Software Blog
David
M. Miller גֵּר־וְתוֹשָׁב
David Ritsema New Testament Studies Blog
David
Stark New Testament Interpretation
D. Christopher Spinks Katagrapho
Deirdre Good On Not Being a Sausage
Desmond Alexander Biblical Theology (dormant)
Diego Orlando Flores Filosofía y Sagrada
Escritura
Dorina Miller
Parmenter Iconic Books
Dorothy King PhDiva
Dorothy Peters Dorothy Peters
Doug Chaplin Blogito
ergo sim (formerly MetaCatholic)
Douglas Magnum Biblia Hebraica
Drew Tatusko Notes From Offcenter
Duane Smith Abnormal Interests
Eddie Primal Subversion
Edward M. Cook Ralph the Sacred River
Ekaterini G.
Tsalampouni Ιστολόγιο
βιβλικών σπουδών / Biblical Studies Blog
ElShaddai Edwards He is Sufficient
Eric
B. Sowell Archaic Christianity
The Coding Humanist
(complete)
Esteban Vázquez The Voice of Stefan
Flávio Souza ad cummulus
Foolish Tarheel ‘Conn’-versation
Gary Zimmerli The Sundry Times
Gavin Rumney Otagosh
George M. Grena LMLK Blogspot
Gerald Hiestand iustificare
Gianni
Gualtieri Bibbiablog (an Italian
Blog)
Gordon Lyn Watley Sibylline leaves (dormant)
Hall Harris W. Hall Harris Blog
A random collection of biblical and othe
musings (dormant)
Helen Ingram The Omega Course
Henry Neufeld Participatory Bible Study
Henry T. Nguyen Punctuated Life
Iveta
Strenkova Bibbiablog (an
Italian Blog)
James B. Jordan Biblical Horizons
James
Crossley Earliest Christian History
James Gregory James Gregory’s Blog
James F. McGrath Exploring Our Matrix
James
M. Hamilton, Jr. For His Renown
Biblical Theology (dormant)
James
Kelley Orthodox Patristics
James Pate James’ Thoughts and Musings
James Spinti Idle Musings of a Bookseller
Jamie Kiley JamieKiley.com
(dormant)
Jason
Button Theosource
Jan Krans The Amsterdam NT Blog
J. C. Baker Info
Jeff
Mooney SoCal Theologica:
Musings from the West Coast
Jenelle “Hello,” said Jenelle
Jennifer
Chiou Chiou Laoshi Blog
Jeremiah
Bailey Red Letter Revolution
Jerry A. Serving
the Word
Biblical Theology (dormant)
Jimmy Doyle jkdoyle.com
J. K. Gayle Aristotle’s Feminist Subject
J. Matthew Barnes In The Corner With Matt
Joel L. Watts The Church of Jesus Christ
Joe Weaks The Macintosh Biblioblog
John A. Cook Beginning of Wisdom (dormant)
John Hobbins Ancient Hebrew Poetry
John Lyons Archives of the Reception of
the Bible (complete)
John
W. Loftus Debunking Christianity
Jon The
Theological Ramblings of an Anglican Ordinand
Jonathan Bernier Jonathan’s Tremendously Wonderful Blog
Jorge Afanador Theology Matters
Joseph
R. Kelly Kol ha-adam
Josh McManaway A New Testament Student
Joshua Hearne Telling the Stories that Matter
Joshua Stewart Said at New Orleans Seminary
J. P. van de Giessen Aantekeningen bij de Bijbel
Judy
Redman Judy’s Research Blog
Julia M.
O’Brien Julia M. O’Brien
Julio César Chaves apocrypha gnostica
Justin Anthony Knapp Bible Blogs Review
Justin Ridley Margueasio
apokatastasis
Karl Möller Biblical Studies Notebook
Karyn
Traphagen Boulders 2 Bits
Kar Yong The homilia of a budding NT scholar
Keith Lohse Mandaean Research (dormant)
Ken Schenk Quadrilateral Thoughts
Kevin
A. Wilson Blue Cord (dormant)
Kevin Hill Courting The Mystery
Kevin
Scull Paul of Tarsus in Historical Context
Kyle
Covett Mayfly (dormant)
Yin
Yang Kim Old Testament Story
Lao Shi
Chiou Chiou Laoshi Blog
Leen Ritmeyer Ritmeyer Archaeological Design
Leon Zitzer The historical Jesus
Luca Religione 2.0
Maer
dos Santos Ancient Wisdom Today
Manuel Rojas Estudios Bíblicos
Marilyn Locust Years – Pilgrim 2.0
(dormant)
Mark
Alterman Theological German/Theologisches Deutsch
Bad Bird: Egyptology for the Little Guy
Mark Horne Biblical Horizons
Mark
Stevens Scripture, Ministry, and the
People of God
Mark Traphagen ‘Conn’-versation
Mark V. Hoffman Biblical Studies and Technology
Mark Washington Catholic Bible Student
Mark Waterman Comments by Dr. Marks
Martin de Boer The Amsterdam NT Blog
Marvin
Lance Wiser Stories of Expatriation & Maturation
Matthew Barnes In The Corner With Matt
Matthew Burgess Confessions of a Bible Junkie
Matthew D. Montonini New Testament Perspectives
Matthew Flummer Said at New Orleans Seminary
Matthew
R. Malcom Crypto-theology
Maurice
Robinson Evangelical Textual
Criticism
McClellan Maklelan
Michael Barber Singing In The Reign
Biblical Theology (dormant)
Michael Burer The Thinking Professor
Michael Gilleland Laudator Temporis Acti
Michael Hanel BibleWorks Blog
Michael Langlois Michael Langlois
Michael
Pahl The stuff of earth (complete)
Michael
Pitkowsky Menachem Mendel
Michael Samuel Rabbi Michael Samuel
Michael
Thompson Grasshoppers Dreaming
Michal
Wilk Bibbiablog (an
Italian Blog)
Mike Sangrey Better Bibles Blog
Exegetitor (dormant)
Mike Whitenton Ecce Homo
Mississippi
Fred MacDowell On The Main Line
Nathan Stitt Discipulus Scripturae
Neil Godfrey Vridar
Nick Meyer Jesus, Paul, and Luke
Nick
Norelli Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
Nijay K. Gupta Nijay K Gupta
Owen
Chesnut Roses and Razorwire
Patrick
Woods So much for Straw
Paul L. Beisel Spiritus Gladius
Pedro
Iglesias Curto Bibbiablog (an
Italian Blog)
Peter Enns A
Time to Tear Down A Time to Build Up
Peter Head Evangelical Textual
Criticism
Letter Carriers and the Pauline Tradition
Peter
Kirby Late Peter Kirby Writings
Peter J. Leithart Leithart.com
Peter J. Williams Evangelical Textual
Criticism
Peter M.
Lopez Beauty of the Bible
Phil Gons Logos Bible Software Blog
Philip Harland Religions of the Ancient
Mediterranean
Philip Sumpter Narrative and Ontology
Rachel Barenblat Velveteen Rabbi
Randall Buth Evangelical Textual
Criticism
Ray Van Neste Pastoral Epistles
Rebecca Lesses Mystical Politics
Richard
A. Rhodes Better Bibles Blog
Richard H. Anderson dokeo kago grapho soi kratistos
Theophilos
Richard Sherrat Tetrateuch
Robin Parry Theological Scribbles
Rich Bledsoe Biblical Horizons
Rick Mansfield This Lamp
Rob Kashow Tolle lege!
Rick Sumner The Dilettante Exegete
Robert Bradshaw BiblicalStudies.org.uk
Robert
Jimenez Inquiring Minds
Rob G. Reid Jesus and Empire: An Imperial Critical
Perspective
Rodney A. Thomas Black Trinitarian Theology
Roland Boer Stalin’s Moustache
Ros Clarke Conversational Theology
Rubén Gómez Bible Software Review
Sean Primal Subversion
Sean
Winter Sean the Baptist (in the UCA)
Sergio
Rotasperti Bibbiablog (an
Italian Blog)
Seth L. Sanders Serving
the Word
Seumas MacDonald Compliant Subversity
Shane Lems The Reformed Reader
Shaun
Tabatt Bible Geek Gone Wild
Simon Woodman Baptist Bookworm
Søren Holst PergaMent
Stefan Green Exegetisk Teologi
Stephen Emerging From Babel
(complete)
Stephen G. Dempster Biblical Theology (dormant)
Stephen L. Cook Biblische Ausbildung
Stefan J. Pfann The View from Jerusalem
Suzanne McCarthy Suzanne’s Bookshelf
T. Desmond Alexander Biblical Theology (dormant)
TheologicalMom ‘Conn’-versation
Theophrastus What I learned from Aristotle
Thomas
Verenna The Musings of Thomas Verenna
Tim Bahula Biblical Studies and Technology
Timothy McCormick Catholic Bibles
Tim Ricchuiti If I were a bell I’d ring
Tommy Wasserman Evangelical Textual
Criticism
Tonya Hebrew and Greek Reader
Tony Chartrand-Burke Apocryphicity
Torry
Sealand Philonica et Neotestamentica
Troels
Myrup Kristensen Iconoclasm
Tyler Williams Codex: My musings on biblical studies
Wayne
Leman Better Bibles Blog
W. Hall Harris W. Hall Harris Blog
A random collection of biblical and othe
musings (dormant)
White Bear Girl Bible Study Connection
William John Lyons Archives of the Reception of
the Bible (complete)
V. Henry T.
Nguyen Punctuated Life
Yitzhak Sapir Hebrew Bible and ANE History Lists
Commentary
John,
Wonderful! Thanks for the fuller list! Now, we get to comb through and see who we've missed on the Student Biblioblog list.
Question, and we'll form it negatively cause that's probably a shorter answer- How many bibliobloggers on your list have you not met?
Posted by: danielandtonya | May 09, 2009 at 11:56 AM
I have conversed with many on the list online, and others at ETS or SBL. But there are many more I know of only because I've read their blog now and then, without the time or opportunity to interact.
My guess is that I have forgotten a few student bibliobloggers.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 09, 2009 at 01:38 PM
I am appreciative for the list, thanks!
I must note, however, that my name is misspelled on it. It's Anderson (-on, not -en).
Again, thanks!
Posted by: John Anderson | May 09, 2009 at 08:09 PM
It appears that your list is somewhat inflated by the inclusion of homiletic and theo-blogs. By contrast, our Biblioblog Top 50 aims at an inclusive list of biblical studies blogs. We still list blogs which aim to be primarily theological, or which have some other primary purpose, if they touch on the Bible - but they are listed separately at the end. We see no reason to make it more, rather than less, difficult to find the blogs you are after by including blogs which only touch tangentially on biblical studies. That is the main difference between the list you have provided, and ours. But, as we appreciate that some people are less interested in biblical studies than in popular homiletics, we see value in your list as well.
Posted by: Biblioblog Top 50 | May 09, 2009 at 08:53 PM
I like the Bible. I like God more. I like John Hobbins. I like John's list. I like the BibTop50 list also. I'm honored to be on them both.
I used to like NT Wrong, too. I wish I knew if the totally anonymous "BibTop50" blogger was the same person as NTW. Jim West used to vouch for NTW, which was good enough for me. But who the heck are you, BT50?
Anyway, John. Thanks for the list. Religious people scare me more than skeptics. But the fear of God remains the beginning of wisdom. Can I get an Amen? :)
Posted by: Bill | May 09, 2009 at 09:32 PM
John,
I will fix that.
BT50,
You will notice, if you work through the list, that
(1) I've added a few blogs which have a focus on biblical studies, or at least have that focus among others, that you overlooked;
(2) listed dormant but still available blogs, where possible; some of these contain content that is every bit as good as that found in a book or a currently active blog;
(3) excluded a couple of your "biblical studies" blogs that contain zero or almost zero interaction with biblical studies;
(4)included bloggers who are part of the community of commenters, even if they rarely write posts on their blogs in direct interaction with biblical scholarship. In fact, I should include many more;
(4) included blogs written by grad students in biblical studies and others if they are a part of the community of readers of biblical bloggers, even if they touch on their studies or on biblical scholarship on their blogs only now and then;
(5) included "angry" folks whose interest is not in biblical literature, but in the people who believe the Bible is God's Word, people they regard as profoundly deluded and/or dangerous. You do this as well, and I commend you for it, and I hope, too, that civil conversation can take place on issues of interest to the GLBT community in the future, BTW. I also think a lot more could be done to promote online civil debate between atheists and believers on a whole host of issues at an intellectually competent level.
I would also point out that the list under-represents the amount of competent online discussion that is going on in many areas, even as it includes a few bloggers who are crackpot-geniuses or genius-crackpots (take your pick). Yes, scholars are just as subject to fitting into those categories as amateurs are.
In fact, every scholar who is at all creative fits into the crackpot-genius category once in a while or even often. The field would be impoverished without people like Cyrus Gordon, Morton Smith, and Mitchell Dahood (three relatively non-controversial examples; if I were to give you a fuller list, I might quickly put you on the defensive).
Bill,
Scholarship thrives on challenging questions. Doubt is an epistemological necessity. I wish there were more people in biblical studies with no loyalties / disloyalties of any kind with respect to the content of biblical literature. But really, such people do not even exist, except in theory.
I long to find other people who are willing to read biblical literature on its own terms, in terms of its contextualization within Judaism on the one hand and Christianity on the other, and in terms of its reception in what is now a global, pluralistic context. People who are willing to carefully distinguish between these different types of readings.
To make a long story short, I defend the right of someone at an SBL meeting to read a passage from the point of view of "queer theory." If it is done well, presumably I will find something of interest in the presentation even if I do not subscribe to queer theory. But if that is the case, then it is no less appropriate for someone else to read a passage at an SBL meeting from the perspective of a believer in the passage's content. Still, I prefer to listen, at SBL, to papers that, for example, show how exegesis that comes to biblical literature with strong ideological assumptions distorts the text and details thereof; and/or papers that show that the evidence points in a certain direction, regardless of the metanarrative a reader subscribes to.
What do I to see online, among biblical bloggers? The very same things go on. I am not offended in the least when a Jewish blogger reads a text in a fully contextualized, traditional manner. That reading, in a pluralistic context like that of scholarship or that of online academically-oriented blogging, can and should have a place, with the proviso that it is in the nature of the game that someone else is going to turn around and relativize that reading by reading the text on its own terms (several different ways of doing this) or in terms of another meta-narrative - Christianity, feminism, post-colonialism, etc., or a hybrid.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 10, 2009 at 11:56 AM
John,
Thanks for this massive list! Yet one more is my NT Gateway blog at http://www.ntgateway.com/category/blog/. It is not a blog proper but is for updates to the NT Gateway, so it may not count.
Cheers
Mark
Posted by: Mark Goodacre | May 10, 2009 at 01:26 PM
Mark,
Thanks for pointing that out. Offline I've had others note omissions. I will make a set of additions soon.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 10, 2009 at 03:42 PM
I know, I blog a lot about television these days. :D
(I probably shouldn't say that because then I'll be kocked off the Biblioblog's Top 50 Complete List, too).
Posted by: James Pate | May 11, 2009 at 01:25 PM
Not sure what you thought I meant, John, but I agree with your lengthy response to my comment. Yes. Fair's fair.
Thanks.
Posted by: Bill | May 11, 2009 at 04:40 PM
Thank you Bill. You got me thinking, and I just kept on going.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 11, 2009 at 06:53 PM
Thanks for saying you will correct my misspelled name. You must know someone named "Andersen"
Posted by: John Anderson | May 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM
Another misspelling: Christian Askeland not Askelund on the ETC blog.
Posted by: tommy wasserman | May 12, 2009 at 08:32 AM
John and Tommy,
Thanks for pointing out the errors. Both are now fixed.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 12, 2009 at 08:48 AM
But John, I need those "liberal" and "conservative" blogger labels, else how will I know precisely what name to call them? ;-)
On a serious note, thanks for compiling the list. It reminded me how few of these fine folk I read regularly, even though I subscribe to over 200 blogs.
Posted by: Henry Neufeld | May 14, 2009 at 07:27 AM
Perhaps my blog in Norwegian could be included in the list?
Posted by: Arne | May 14, 2009 at 03:29 PM
Added in.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 14, 2009 at 04:01 PM
John,
you've got Chris Spinks twice, under both:
D. Christopher Spinks
Chris Spinks.
Posted by: Mike Aubrey | May 15, 2009 at 02:02 PM
Mike,
Thanks, but I did that on purpose, and not just for Chris.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 15, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Thanks for this list, John. Very helpful. There is a lot good work and reflection on the internet. You did a real service collecting the information.
Posted by: Pete Enns | May 17, 2009 at 07:25 AM
Excellent Job John!
Posted by: Celucien Joseph | May 17, 2009 at 04:55 PM
Hi John,
What a fantastic resource, thank you! Minor typo - my surname is Davy, not Davey.
Thanks for including me,
Tim
Posted by: Tim Davy | May 25, 2009 at 05:37 PM
Hi Tim,
Good to hear from you. Typo fixed.
Posted by: JohnFH | May 26, 2009 at 10:08 PM
Thanks for including me! I am a PhD student and Theology and Literature. I consider myself a biblioblogger but many of the lists overlook my blog because i don't engage in "pure" biblical studies, rather i employ my knowledge of historical theology in the context of literary criticism and engagement with depictions of the bible, theology, and the church in contemporary literature and the arts.
Bt50 has always ignored my blog, though I am somewhat amused that BT50 uses Alexa which doesn't seem to notice the close to 1000 hits a month i get on my blog (as measured by both Lijit and Sitemeter)....
Posted by: Anna M Blanch | July 14, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Hi John,
While I'm perhaps at the shallower end of scholarship since I don't have the seminarian training or connections, might Nailing it to the Door find a space in your list?
Peace!
Dan
Posted by: Dan Martin | July 15, 2009 at 05:01 PM
I should also have suggested my Mom's New Testament Translation and word study blog, the Pioneers' New Testament: http://pioneernt.wordpress.com
Posted by: Dan Martin | July 15, 2009 at 05:03 PM
Anna,
Your blog is really great.
I think the main reason it is not listed in BT50 is that your interests are too wide and wonderful for the anonymous people who put that list together.
Furthermore, blogs of the evangelical variety outnumber all others that stand at the intersection of theology, Bible, literature, and current events. Non-evangelicals sometimes find that annoying. The BT50 people, furthermore, seem to want to privilege non-evangelical bloggers. In the process, the BT50 snapshot of the world of biblical blogdom is distorted for ideological ends.
That's my take on it, though I am open, of course, to correction.
Posted by: JohnFH | July 17, 2009 at 07:49 AM
Dan,
Your site and that of Ruth's are both excellent. Nice pickup on Mike Heiser's recent article. I will add the two of you in.
John
Posted by: JohnFH | July 17, 2009 at 08:19 AM