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Alastair Roberts

Thought-provoking post. The thing that strikes me is that the very virtues that are often so evidently absent from both sides of such comp-egal debates are the very virtues that are essential for loving marriages. If we cannot display charity, patience, irenicism, and forbearance in such debates, how exactly do we expect our marriages to work (surely marriage involves the sustenance of a form of a healthy 'conversation' between the partners)? A commitment to egal or comp style marriages can never compensate for the loss of these.

JohnFH

Alastair,

Thanks for your comment, and the link to your very fine blog.

Wayne Leman

1 Cor. 13,
Wayne

JohnFH

Wayne,

Thank you for your commitment to that, and to 1 Cor. 14:29.

Mike Heiser

Well said, John. Even though I lean to the other side (Comp), I appreciate your brand of egalitarian discussion. I'm sure the people you are targeting here would charge me with not being committed enough. I guess they'd be right if egali-fascism is what they want.

And by the way, if you ever start a society of famous boneheads who don't toe party lines, I'd love to apply for membership.

Mike Heiser

I meant "complement-fascism" in that earlier post. I'd love to say my wife distracted me, but it was my own mental drift!!

Andrew

Keep up the good work, John. We've dialogued about this in past comment threads and I still greatly appreciate your level-headed contribution. Sounds like you made a good decision. You've got my support!

Brian

as i see it, it is really sad this has to be such a devisive issue, when again, as I see it, it doesn't have to be such.

sadly, it shows some people are more devoted to their doctrines than they are to their relationships.

I am an egal - but I am not going to fight tooth and nail over it. there isn't any need to draw lines in the sand really.

JohnFH

Andrew and Brian,

Thanks for your comments and support.

I'm not against drawing lines in the sand, but I try to imagine what kind of lines Jesus drew as recounted in John 8:6.

TL

Andrew,
That sounds reasonable. Fighting over doctrines isn't something Christians should be doing IMO. Why can we not benefit from the OT Rabbi's who were able to see two ways of looking at things, expound on them both, but leave individuals to decide for themselves which they would lean toward.

John,
I appreciate your concerns, but I find that there is much said in your post that probably shouldn't have been.

blessings
TL

JohnFH

TL,

I treasure your willingness to consider my concerns and I look forward to seeing how in fact those concerns will be addressed as complegal moves forward.

For the rest, I am willing to agree to disagree.

madame

John,
I enjoyed discussing with you on Complegal. Your wisdom and depth added to any thread, and always gave me something to mull over for a while.
If I offended you in any way, I ask for your forgiveness.

I see what you mean by it not being the place for healing from abusive marriages, but I hold a slightly different opinion. I find that stories illustrate the potential dangers of a doctrine, especially when it's not been taught properly and completely. For me, both theological discussion and practical discussion belong together. Both complement each other.

It was nice "meeting" you.

Blessings,
Ruth

JohnFH

Ruth,

I appreciate your comments very much, in particular, your willingness to imagine that complementarianism, if taught properly and completely - that is, with due weight given to all the emphases of Scripture - is not a dangerous teaching. This is basic, baseline information in my view.

Since I am an egal, I believe that egalitarianism, taught properly, is also compatible with the whole counsel of God contained in Scripture. Many complementarians, I've noticed, while they may harbor doubts about that, have apparently concluded that my salvation is nonetheless not on the line. They must figure, as I figure is the case for everyone in some areas, that God finds a way to "work around" apparent blind spots of these dimensions.

In my view, conversation on complegal
will improve if egals who participate loosen up enough to reflect on the potential dangers to which egalitarianism is subject, and if they become less doctrinaire and prosecutorial on questions of exegesis.

TL

"if egals who participate loosen up enough to reflect on the potential dangers to which egalitarianism is subject"

Actually, I thought this had been addressed although lightly and not in depth. Since this is your blog and you can feel free reign to say anything you want to, what IYO are those potential dangers specifically. I know you've referred to some here and some there. But it would be nice to have a complete and concise list handy for reflection. :)

JohnFH

Hi TL,

It is an interesting exercise, isn't it?

An analogy goes like this. As a Catholic/Protestant, it comes easily to point out the weaknesses and weirdnesses of Protestantism/Catholicism. But what are weaknesses and weirdnesses of my own tradition?

I'll think about making a list. Since I come from a family that has been egal for generations, I have lots of family history to work off of, for starters.

TL

John, will you make an effort to separate family history from general egal practices? That might be of some value.

Hey I was raised in Catholicism. I found it easy (at first) to point out the many weaknesses precisely because I felt it did nothing for me. Actually, it did, but it took me a long time to both realize it AND acknowledge it. It is easy to critique what one does not deeply value as you suggest.

JohnFH

Hi TL,

My family history, on the contrary, helps me to see how much I benefit from egalitarianism, even as it brings to the fore some of its inherent weaknesses.

It is impressive that you, a former Catholic, are now able to realize that Catholicism has strengths and not just weaknesses.

It is that kind of maturity I look for in former complementarians and former egalitarians. Former comps and former egals who have reached this point have unique gifts to give in the context of bridge-building dialogue.

madame

John,
I'm glad you appreciated my comments.
I think I have one thing going for me. I'm not inside the culture of Complementarianism vs Egalitarianism. In Europe it doesn't seem to be such a huge issue. If it is, I've managed to let it go over my head.

I never gave the issue of women preaching much thought at all. I knew my Bible references to go against the very notion of it, and that was it. But then we landed in a church with a female leader.
I had to learn to look beyond the gender of the person standing up at the front.
Once I did that I was able to see all the other problems that have nothing to do with gender!

In marriage, I believe in complementarity without hierarchy, as you know. I can't dismiss the specific verses directed at husbands and wives, but I believe we miss the point when we don't view them in the light of the full counsel of Scripture, at least the full counsel of the NT and the example Jesus left for us to follow. We also do each other and ourselves a disservice when we forget that there is a letter and a spirit.
All the best,
Ruth

JohnFH

Ruth,

Our experiences are similar in many respects. I am married to a pastor, a solo new-church-start pastor. While in Europe (Sicily, to be exact), she was pulled out of the pulpit by a well-intentioned Pentecostal who knew, based on his reading of Scripture, that women are not to preach.

After a minute or two of amazement, the men of Paola's church intervened, and returned her to the pulpit. God had already blessed them mightily through the preaching of their sister. They could not have done otherwise.

For the rest, I happen to think complementarity, mutuality, and hierarchy, properly related, are essential ingredients to a healthy marriage of whatever template: traditional, complementarian, and egalitarian.

Society today has severe issues with authority and hierarchy in theory and practice. But I'm not so sure that the answer is to pretend that *authority on behalf of* and domain-based hierarchies are not essential to a well-functioning society and to marriage and family life.

Mrs. Webfoot

I wonder if those who have been hurt by the ideology of egalitarianism would be accepted on a blog like complegalitarian.

I wonder how safe it would be for such people to share their stories?

I understand that women have been hurt by certain teachings. I can empathize with that to some extent, and express sympathy.


I think that the goals of Complegalitarian are noble, but not exactly safe for all at this point in time. It "feels" more like a place where Complementarians get worked over in an effort to make us see the light so we can make the paradigm shift to equality.

Yes, we may be Christians, but just not quite as enlightened as some other groups of Christians.

That is how I "feel," anyway. I also feel treated like a small child who really knows nothing, and I am singled out for special attention. Funny. I'm a woman who is made to feel that way by Egalitarians. What's wrong with that picture?

I would love to be an enlightened Egalitarian, but what's in it for me? Women are told by Egalitarians to question what's in a Complementarian marriage for them. What's in Egalitarianism for me, one who is unenlightened and childlike in my understanding? Will I mature if I let the Egalitarian paradigm take me?


I used to be more Egalitarian, probably moderately Egalitarian. Now I am staunchly Complementarian. Should I share on the group the process that I went through to get to where I am today?

I think not. I think I'll just stay away and see if the love will flow without me.

Even so, I appreciate Wayne's efforts and believe that he is a godly, noble human being.

It's just not working for me. I just can't make the paradigm shift back to how I believed at one time.

Sorry about that.

Thank you for your good post, and I really don't expect my comments to be posted, but I feel better after reading your post. It is very kind and helpful to me, personally.

God bless,
Mrs. Webfoot

JohnFH

I am impressed when complementarians join the discussion at complegal. One is exposed almost inevitably to being "worked over," as you say. It takes patience to put up with that for an extended period of time.

My deepest concern is probably this, that egalitarianism, which I espouse, becomes Law, not Gospel, in the hands of those who are "it's this way or the highway" egalitarians.

J. K. Gayle

John,
You keep saying repeatedly you're an egalitarian (but not a party-line one). Would you mind reminding us why that self-identity? What's at stake for you in your declaration that you believe the scriptures don't put husband above wife?

JohnFH

Hi Kurk,

I'm an egalitarian because that's how my marriage is organized and the church I serve with confidence and joy, the United Methodist Church, is egalitarian in structure.

For example, my bishop, and she is an excellent one, is an African American originally from Detroit who, at statewide events, likes to end her sermons with an altar call. She is a breath of fresh air.

In fact, I'm third or fourth generation egal in terms of family background. On a personal level, I'm not sure I would even know how to organize a marriage except along the lines of domain-based hierarchies in which "over-all authority" is vested in principle in both husband and wife, with the tie-breaking vote, in the case of conflict, cast by one or the other as seems appropriate on a case by case basis.

Is it true that the scriptures do not put husband over wife? That is what so-called biblical egals claim, but I don't see it.

So far as I can see, that is true before God and before man in terms of equal regard, but culturally speaking, a wife was subordinated to her husband within the family unit even as, within the domestic realm, a great deal of authority and responsibility was delegated to her.

That is clear from law and practice in the Old Testament, and from the counsel of Paul and Peter in Ephesians 5, Colossians 3, I Peter 3, etc. Thus we read in Titus 2:4-5 that wives are to love their husbands, love their children, be self-controlled, chaste, good managers of the household, kind, and submissive to their husbands.

It is clear that Scripture sanctions and endorses a great many cultural conventions of, first of all, the ancient Levant, and then, later, Greco-Roman society.

In terms of the institution of marriage, the conventions so endorsed were nonetheless "hollowed out" in the sense that the husband is called upon to love his wife as Christ loved the church (Ephesians 5), base intimate relations on the principal consent (1 Cor 7), and so on.

Other conventions of ambient society were adamantly opposed, such as, in Greco-Roman society, tolerance of the practice of abortion, exposure of infants, ephebophilia, and so on. Given the steadfast opposition to such things that Christianity embodied, it is no wonder that it was a religion in the ancient world which was found attractive to women in particular, even though patriarchal institutions per se, and slavery, were assimilated to the teachings of Christianity rather than upended.

Egalitarianism in the sense that I am an egalitarian, the modern Western sense, is compatible, I believe, with Scripture, so long as 1 Cor 13 is the criterion of all interpersonal relations.

But egalitarianism as it has come to be configured in modern Western society is not envisioned in scripture. Not in terms of the institution of marriage, and not in terms of elders / presbyteroi and bishops in the church, positions historically reserved for men from the New Testament onwards.

Furthermore, egalitarianism in the modern Western sense creates as many problems as it solves. A traitorous observation, I realize, from the point of view of ideological egalitarians. But there I stand.

If I haven't answered your questions to your satisfaction, try again.

J. K. Gayle

Thanks so much, John! This is really helpful to me when you're so personal (and don't just get abstract way off up in the intellectual clouds -- yes, I know I too, too often, fall into such high fallutin' sounding language myself).

No doubt egalitarianism creates problems, as does what you shorthand with "1 Cor 13." But the main problem with "1 Cor 13" is not disruptive, disrupting love. What if love did not create its problems? The huge issues are that the text Paul writes out of love, descends out of love right into "1 Cor 14," where he instructs (even certain) husbands to get their wives to shut up in church until they can go home to ask their husbands "if these women wish to learn anything" later.

JohnFH

I think I understand your point of view, Kurk.

It's typical of some egalitarians, especially if they are "converts" to it, to think of their framework as producing only "good" problems. It's typical of the same egalitarians to think of Paul's qualified commitment to the culture of his day (patriarchy) as producing only "bad" problems.

It is the inability to be critical of one's own framework, the apparently conscious choice to engage in little more than boosterism and cheerleading on the one hand and polemics on the other, that strikes me as immature.

We will be reading Paul for the forseeable future precisely because he, like other early Christians, did not engage in relentless negativity toward the culture in which he lived. It is not a let down that Paul expected love to work itself out within conventional boundaries. His is a profoundly human and profoundly modest approach to life that has much to commend it.

J. K. Gayle

It's typical of some egalitarians, especially if they are "converts" to it, to think of their framework as producing only "good" problems. It's typical of the same egalitarians to think of Paul's qualified commitment to the culture of his day (patriarchy) as producing only "bad" problems.

No. You didn't understand, John. That's not what I said or believe. What I believe is that Paul is difficult to understand, and others have said that too. If the same Paul wrote what we've come to read as both I Cor 13 and 14, then there is considerable difficulty (for the Greek readers in Corinth then and for us now).

JohnFH

Thanks, Kurk,

for clarifying your thoughts. In the future, perhaps you will give some examples of the "bad" problems that egalitarianism engenders, and of the "good" problems that less than egalitarian frameworks engender. It would make for an honest and illuminating discussion.

Judging from the history of interpretation, the tension you perceive between 1 Cor 13 and 1 Cor 14 is a product of cultural differences between then and now. At least, I don't remember suggestions to the effect that 1 Cor 13 and 14 are in tension until recently.

Mrs. Webfoot

John:
I am impressed when complementarians join the discussion at complegal. One is exposed almost inevitably to being "worked over," as you say. It takes patience to put up with that for an extended period of time.>>>>

Webfoot:
I'm not sure that patience is what it takes. It may take a death wish. It may take a person who doesn't mind being abused. It may take someone much more Christlike than I have ever even pretended to be. I don't know. It may just take time.

John:
My deepest concern is probably this, that egalitarianism, which I espouse, becomes Law, not Gospel, in the hands of those who are "it's this way or the highway" egalitarians.>>>>

Webfoot:
Well, that is mostly why I rejected Egalitarianism, even though much of my thinking was and still is very egalitarian. Some of my egalitarian thinking is what tends to get me into trouble with both sides.

I spent some time "dialoguing" with the egals, and it ended very bad for me.

One of the main things that turned me off from the internet form of egalitarianism was the fact that they could not find ANY flaws in their system. Not one.

I would list the things that I thought were problematic in the comp view, and everyone thought that was find. Then, I'd turn it around and ask for weaknesses in the egal worldview.

They couldn't think of one problem that might arise from egalitarianism. They could not or would not admit to an weaknesses.

That more than anything convinced me that they could not have a very strong commitment to truth. Maybe that's a harsh judgment, but then and there I decided that whatever they had, I didn't want it.

I believe that the basic Complementarian idea is Biblical. It took Chrysostom to settle that in my mind.


Are there problems with Complemenatrianism, especially in some of its forms? Sure. Of course there are.

I have two favorite Egalitarians, though - Dorothy L. Sayers and Jill Briscoe. There may be more.


The internet gang is kind of intense, to say the least.

Well, thanks for allowing me to post. Thanks for responding. I appreciate that. You humanized me.

God bless you,
Mrs. Webfoot


J. K. Gayle

I think I commented some time back at Complegalitarian, enumerating some of the "flaws" of the "system" of abolitionism. Why the great need for complementarians or egalitarians to enumerate the difficult consequences of life without male domination of females in a marriage? Paul could have enumerated how very problematic it would be for both Onesimus and Philemon for the former to be free (and he did write how tough it'd be on him to lose his friend whom he'd started calling a free brother). Mark could have listed the problems Jesus caused by quoting Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 5:2 on male and fe-male being created in the image of God. Jesus could have go on a bit about the cantankerous issues of non-hierarchy (when calling his students his friends not his slaves). We could all confess that eliminating one-above-the-other marriage relationships would create problems we could count. But is the point just to find common ground? I'm sorry Mrs. Webfoot hasn't felt humanized by "egalitarians." That is ironic indeed. Nothing like Dorothy Sayers or Jill Briscoe or Paul? or Mark or Jesus.

Mrs. Webfoot

Gayle:
I think I commented some time back at Complegalitarian, enumerating some of the "flaws" of the "system" of abolitionism.>>>>


What about John Brown?


Then, let's see. Are all forms of egalitarianism liberating? How do you define egalitarianism?

Gayle:
Mrs. Webfoot hasn't felt humanized by "egalitarians.">>>>


Hmmm. I'm sorry, but yes I have. Do you mean that the ones dehumanizing me weren't true egalitarians? Would you mind clarifying?

Mrs. Webfoot

Gayle:
Mrs. Webfoot hasn't felt humanized by "egalitarians.">>>>


Hmmm. I'm sorry, but yes I have. Do you mean that the ones dehumanizing me weren't true egalitarians? Would you mind clarifying?>>>>


Besides, Gayle, why don't you talk directly to me? I'm right here.

Mrs. Webfoot

JohnFH

Mrs. Webfoot,

Dorothy Sayers and Jill Briscoe are excellent examples of egalitarians who did not or do not allow themselves to be boxed in or over-defined by egalitarianism. This is the kind of egalitarianism I find palatable, something I can identify with.

Kurk,

Perhaps you missed the last paragraph of the initial post on this thread:

"Bridge-building and bridge-burning are in fact two very different activities. Both have their place in the grand scheme of things, but one precludes the other in a conversational project which has a minimum of coherency."

I'm wondering if you make what I consider to be a common mistake of people on both extremes of this particular ideological divide: the assumption that conversion and repentance necessitate a switch to egalitarianism if that is your gospel, or complementarianism if that is your gospel (qua gospel, I suggest, it's choose your poison as it were).

On the contrary, it is my experience that conversion / repentance in the Gospel sense of those words most often occurs without people making framework switches.

Obviously, that is how it was in the ancient world. There wasn't an egal framework in the sense we are using it in existence to switch to.

It's no different today, around the world in many places. Even in those rare cases in which the cultural context allows people to weigh up the "two" alternatives and freely choose between them, I submit that the choice made is not an index of conversion and repentance in the Gospel sense of those words.

But hey, if in light of all this you still want to go about burning bridges rather than building them, I will only point out that the polarization the burning causes will have unintended consequences that perhaps you did not imagine.

Burning bridges causes collateral damage. It's even less accurate than the kind of "precision"-bombing the US under Clinton, Bush, and now Obama engage in, in pursuit of taking out the bad guys.

I am not a pacifist across the board, but I am a pacifist on the choose-between-compism-and-egalism issue.

On this issue, as far as I can see, you are a warmonger. I don't want to overinterpret you, but that is how you come across to me, though you are gentle about it.

A number of ex-comps (maybe that is what you are, too), some of whom I count as friends, also define the need of the hour as that of denigrating the marriage arrangement comps choose and sheltering the marriage arrangement egals choose from any and all criticism.

In my view, it would be healthier for us all to be self-critical as well as critical, precisely in terms of the cultural choices we make and those we reject.

I think you have it in you to be balanced in that sense. But I don't think you have yet made the choice to be so.

J. K. Gayle

Dear Mrs. Webfoot,
I don't think we'd been introduced. Certainly didn't mean to ignore you much less offend you in any way.

Dear John,
Of course I'm open to conversation and to self-reflection. Did I call you a name or interpret you, as far as I can see, as coming across as anything so mean as what you call me? Peace, my friend.

Notice please, John and Mrs. Webfoot, that I didn't address either one of you directly because I was wanting to draw analogies not point to you or your beliefs. I believe you can speak gently (or otherwise) for yourselves. Please know that I was neither intending to attack either of you or to assume you "are" anything you don't claim to be. Please don't take offense. Please know that none's intended in the least.

Mrs. Webfoot

That's fine, J.K.

Okay. In what ways are you self-critical? When you see your side denegrating the other side, how do you react? Do you "pile on", joining in with your side, or do you try to get your side to tone it down, to take it down a notch?


Just wondering. No need to respond.


JohnFH

Kurk,

I'm perfectly aware that you mean no harm. You are the one of the best-intentioned people I know.

Peace to you.

Mrs. Webfoot


Hey, God bless, and thanks guys for letting me interjet a few of my thoughts into this. I appreciate that, and wish you all the best. This discussion has been very honest and helpful.

Thanks. Very interesting.

God bless, and please take care,
Mrs. Webfoot

Mrs. Webfoot

J.K., I'm not offended, so not to worry.

I hope you're not offended that I assumed you were a woman, or that I butted into this conversation.

Again, this is fascinating and helpful to me, at least.

Take care,
Mrs. Webfoot

J. K. Gayle

Thank you, Mrs. Webfoot. And thank you, John. I'm not offended and hope you didn't feel any offense from me either. In fact, you both inspired, in part, a post at my blog.

Lynn

Uh . . . I'm complementarian, and I just started posting to the new complegalitarian board. Why don't you give it another try soon? Your point of view as an egalitarian sounds interesting to me.

JohnFH

Hi Lynn,

That's a mighty fine blog you have. Thanks for the invitation. I don't want to exclude anything. But for now, I'm planning to stay on the complegal sidelines.

I will blog on the issues here on occasion.

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    A diary of Bob MacDonald's journey through the Psalms and other holy places in the Hebrew Bible
  • Eclexia
    The heart and mind of this Bible and theology blogger sing in unison
  • Eat, Drink, and be Merry
    The journey of a grad student with a love for ancient languages at Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary (archive)
  • Elizaphanian
    Rev Sam tussles with God, and limps away
  • Emerging from Babel
    Stephen investigates the potential of narrative and rhetorical criticism as a tool for expounding scripture
  • Evangelical Textual Criticism
    A group blog on NT and OT text-critical matters
  • Evedyahu
    excellent comment by Cristian Rata, Lecturer in Old Testament of Torch Trinity Graduate School of Theology, Seoul, Korea
  • Exegetica Digita
    discussion of Logos high-end syntax and discourse tools – running searches, providing the downloads (search files) and talking about what can be done and why it might matter for exegesis, by Mike Heiser
  • Exegetisk Teologi
    careful exegetical comment by Stefan Green (in Swedish)
  • Exploring Our Matrix
    Insightful reflections by James McGrath, ass't. professor of religion, Butler University
  • Faith Matters
    Mark Alter's place
  • Ferrell's Travel Blog
    comments of biblical studies, archaeology, history, and photography by a tour guide of Bible lands and professor emeritus of the Biblical Studies department at Florida College, Temple Terrace (FL)
  • Fors Clavigera
    James K. A. Smith, professor of philosophy at Calvin College, thinks out loud.
  • Friar's Fires
    an insightful blog by a pastor with a background in journalism, one of three he pens
  • Gentle Wisdom
    A fearless take on issues roiling Christendom today, by Peter Kirk, a Bible translator
  • Giluy Milta B‘alma
    by Ezra Chwat and Avraham David of the Institute of Microfilmed Hebrew Manuscripts, Jewish National and Hebrew University Library, Jerusalem
  • He is Sufficient
    insightful comment on Bible translations, eschatology, and more, by Elshaddai Edwards
  • Higgaion
    by Chris Heard, Professor of Religion, Pepperdine University
  • Idle Musings of a Bookseller
    by James Spinti of Eisenbrauns
  • if i were a bell, i'd ring
    Tim Ricchiuiti’s place
  • Imaginary Grace
    Smooth, witty commentary by Angela Erisman (archive). Angela Erisman is a member of the theology faculty at Xavier University
  • James' Thoughts and Musings
    by James Pate, a doctoral student at HUC-JIR Cincinnati
  • Jewish Philosophy Place
    by Zachary (Zak) Braiterman, who teaches modern Jewish thought and philosophy in the Department of Religion at Syracuse University
  • kata ta biblia
    by Patrick George McCollough, M. Div. student, Fuller Theological Seminary, Pasadena CA
  • Ketuvim
    Learned reflection from the keyboard of Jim Getz
  • Kilbabo
    Ben Johnson’s insightful blog
  • Kruse Kronicle - contemplating the intersection of work, the global economy, and Christian mission
    top quality content brought to readers by Michael W. Kruse
  • Larry Hurtado's blog
    emeritus professor of New Testament Language, Literature & Theology, University of Edinburgh
  • Law, Prophets, and Writings
    thoughtful blogging by William R. (Rusty) Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biblical and Theological Studies as College of the Ozarks and managing editor for Journal for the Evangelical Study of the Old Testament
  • Lingamish
    delightful fare by David Ker, Bible translator, who also lingalilngas.
  • Looney Fundamentalist
    a scientist who loves off-putting labels
  • Menachem Mendel
    A feisty blog on rabbinic literature and other Judaica by Michael Pitkowsky, Rabbinics Curriculum Coordinator at the Academy for Jewish Religion and adjunct instructor at Jewish Theological Seminary (New York)
  • mu-pàd-da
    scholarly blog by C. Jay Crisostomo, grad student in ANE studies at ?
  • Narrative and Ontology
    Astoundingly thoughtful comment from Phil Sumpter, a Ph.D. student in Bible, resident in Bonn, Germany
  • New Epistles
    by Kevin Sam, M. Div. student at the Lutheran Theological Seminary, Saskatoon SK
  • NT Weblog
    Mark Goodacre's blog, professor of New Testament, Duke University
  • Observatório Bíblico
    wide-ranging blog by Airton José da Silva, Professor de Bíblia Hebraica/Antigo Testamento na Faculdade de Teologia do CEARP de Ribeirão Preto, Brasile (in Portuguese)
  • Observatório Bíblico
    Blog sobre estudos acadêmicos da Bíblia, para Airton José da Silva, Professor de Bíblia Hebraica / Antigo Testamento na Faculdade de Teologia do CEARP de Ribeirão Preto, SP.
  • Occasional Publications
    excellent blogging by Daniel Driver, Brevard Childs' scholar extraordinaire
  • old testament passion
    Great stuff from Anthony Loke, a Methodist pastor and Old Testament lecturer in the Seminari Theoloji, Malaysia
  • Old Testament Pseudepigrapha Blog
    A weblog created for a course on the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha at the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, by James Davila (archive)
  • On the Main Line
    Mississippi Fred MacDowell's musings on Hebraica and Judaica. With a name like that you can't go wrong.
  • p.ost an evangelical theology for the age to come
    seeking to retell the biblical story in the difficult transition from the centre to the margins following the collapse of Western Christendom, by Andrew Perriman, independent New Testament scholar, currently located in Dubai
  • PaleoJudaica
    by James Davila, professor of Early Jewish Studies at the University of St. Andrews, St Andrews, Scotland. Judaism and the Bible in the news; tidbits about ancient Judaism and its context
  • Pastoral Epistles
    by Rick Brannan and friends, a conceptually unique Bible blog
  • Pen and Parchment
    Michael Patton and company don't just think outside the box. They are tearing down its walls.
  • Pisteuomen
    by Michael Halcomb, pastor-scholar from the Bluegrass State
  • Pseudo-Polymath
    by Mark Olson, an Orthodox view on things
  • Purging my soul . . . one blog at a time
    great theoblog by Sam Nunnally
  • Qumranica
    weblog for a course on the Dead Sea Scrolls at the University of St. Andrews, Scotland, taught by James R. Davila (archive)
  • Ralph the Sacred River
    by Edward Cook, a superb Aramaist
  • Random Bloggings
    by Calvin Park, M. Div. student at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, South Hamilton MA
  • Resident aliens
    reflections of one not at home in this world
  • Revelation is Real
    Strong-minded comment from Tony Siew, lecturer at Trinity Theological College, Singapore
  • Ricoblog
    by Rick Brannan, it's the baby pictures I like the most
  • Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth
    Nick Norelli's fabulous blog on Bible and theology
  • SansBlogue
    by Tim Bulkeley, lecturer in Old Testament, Carey Baptist College (New Zealand). His Hypertext Commentary on Amos is an interesting experiment
  • Ancient Near Eastern Languages
    texts and files to help people learn some ancient languages in self study, by Mike Heiser
  • Midrash, etc.
    A fine Hebrew-to-English blog on Midrash, by Carl Kinbar, Director of the New School for Jewish Studies and a facultm member at MJTI School of Jewish Studies.
  • Phil Lembo what I'm thinking
    a recovering lawyer, now in IT, with a passion for a faith worth living
  • Roses and Razorwire
    a top-notch Levantine archaeology blog, by Owen Chesnut, a doctoral student at Andrews University (MI)
  • Scripture & Theology
    a communal weblog dedicated to the intersection of biblical interpretation and the articulation of church doctrine, by Daniel Driver, Phil Sumpter, and others
  • Scripture Zealot
    by Jeff Contrast
  • Serving the Word
    incisive comment on the Hebrew Bible and related ancient matters, with special attention to problems of philology and linguistic anthropology, by Seth L. Sanders, Assistant Professor in the Religion Department of Trinity College, Hartford, CT
  • Singing in the Reign
    NT blog by Michael Barber (JP University) and Brad Pitre (Our Lady Holy Cross)
  • Stay Curious
    excellent comment on Hebrew Bible and Hebrew language topics, by Karyn Traphagen, graduate, Westminster Theological Seminary, Philadelphia PA (archive)
  • Sufficiency
    A personal take on the faith delivered to the saints, by Bob MacDonald, whose parallel blog on the Psalms in Hebrew is a colorful and innovative experiment
  • The Sundry Times
    Gary Zimmerli's place, with comment on Bible translations and church renewal
  • Sunestauromai: living the crucified life
    by a scholar-pastor based in the Grand Canyon National Park
  • ta biblia
    blog dedicated to the New Testament and the history of Christian origins, by Giovanni Bazzana
  • Targuman
    by Christian Brady, targum specialist extraordinaire, and dean of Schreyer Honors College, Penn State University
  • Targuman
    on biblical and rabbinic literature, Christian theology, gadgetry, photography, and the odd comic, by Christian Brady, associate professor of ancient Hebrew and Jewish literature and dean of the Schreyer Honors College at Penn State
  • The Biblia Hebraica Blog
    a blog about Hebrew Bible/Old Testament, the history of the Ancient Near East and the classical world, Syro-Palestinian archaeology, early Judaism, early Christianity, New Testament interpretation, English Bible translations, biblical theology, religion and culture, philosophy, science fiction, and anything else relevant to the study of the Bible, by Douglas Magnum, PhD candidate, University of the Free State, South Africa
  • The Forbidden Gospels Blog
    by April DeConick, Professor of Biblical Studies, Rice University
  • The Naked Bible
    by Mike Heiser, academic editor at Logos Bible Software
  • The Reformed Reader
    by Andrew Compton, Ph.D. student in the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures (focus on Hebrew and Semitic Languages) at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA)
  • The Sacred Page
    a blog written by three Catholic Ph.D.s who are professors of Scripture and Theology: Michael Barber, Brant Pitre and John Bergsma
  • The Talmud Blog
    a group blog on Talmud News, Reviews, Culture, Currents, and Criticism
  • Theological German
    a site for reading and discussing theological German, by Mark Alter
  • theoutwardquest
    seeking spirituality as an outward, not an inward quest, by David Corder
  • This Lamp
    Incisive comment on Bible translations in the archives, by Rick Mansfield
  • Thoughts on Antiquity
    By Chris Weimer and friends, posts of interest on ancient Greek and Roman topics (archive). Chris is a graduate student at the City University of New York in Classics
  • Threads from Henry's Web
    Wide-ranging comment by Henry Neufeld, educator, publisher, and author
  • Tête-à-Tête-Tête
    smart commentary by "smijer," a Unitarian-Universalist
  • Undeception
    A great blog by Mike Douglas, a graduate student in biblical studies
  • What I Learned From Aristotle
    the Judaica posts are informative (archive)
  • Bouncing into Graceland
    a delightful blog on biblical and theological themes, by Esteban Vázquez (archive)
  • Weblog
    by Justin Anthony Knapp, a fearless Wikipedian (archive)
  • Writing in the Dust
    A collection of quotes by Wesley Hill, a doctoral student in New Testament studies at Durham University (UK), and a Christian who seeks the charism of chastity
  • גֵּר־וְתוֹשָׁב
    by David Miller, Associate Professor of New Testament and Early Judaism, Briercrest College & Seminary, Caronport, Saskatchewan, Canada
  • ואל-תמכר
    Buy truth and do not sell: wisdom, instruction, and understanding - a blog by Mitchell Powell, student of life at the intersection of Christ, Christianity, and Christendom
  • משלי אדם
    exploring wisdom literature, religion, and other academic pursuits, by Adam Couturier, M.A. in Old Testament/Hebrew Bible (graduate of Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary)

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