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I appreciated parts of what you wrote here. With some misgivings, I am replying to the statement that I find objectionable: because I find it extremely objectionable.

There are plenty of reasons for questioning the wisdom of the US-led intervention in Iraq. By itself, its proactive nature is not one of them.

That is, in fact, a very good reason for condemning the invasion of Iraq.

The fact that nations down through history have engaged in war proactively does not make it right. The fact that the USA has done so shames the nation. This is not a precedent to be followed in future.

I believe Christians should stand for peace: period. If there is an argument to make that a certain war is a "just" war, let non-believers make that argument.

That said, just war theory has one great merit: it provides principles for showing how unjust almost every single war is.

The one obvious exception that most of us would agree on is World War II, when Germany was determined to achieve world domination; and the gentle mercies of life under Adolph Hitler would not have commended themselves to any person of conscience.

In other words, it was a just war because it was a response to someone else's aggression.

The problem with proactive war is that whoever executes it has become the de facto aggressor. And yes, it is profoundly shaming to America that it has a well-deserved reputation for aggression.

Whatever the precedent of the Old Testament may be, the relevant precedent for Christians is Christ on the cross. Christ, who refused to take up the sword or call for legions of angels to slay his torturers and executers, but absorbed the full brunt of their violence in his own person.

This is a good instance for posing the trite question, What Would Jesus Do?

Proactive war? I think not.

Stephen, I agree with you - despite my strong disagreement on another matter at MetaCatholic.

John, I find it strange that you find any links between Clare Short's gender and her attitude to the Iraq war. But you seem to have portrayed her as unprincipled for not answering the question. On the contrary, she was principled enough to resign from the government, and later from the Labour Party, because of her objections to the war.

Stephen,

almost everyone I know - that is, among people I wish to count as friends - feels exactly as you do. Truth be told, most of my friends in Italy go one step further and censure all post-WW II US-led military intervention, inclusive of the bombing of Serbia, the first phase of the Iraq War (Desert Storm), Afghanistan, the second phase of the Iraq War (Enduring Freedom). Most of my friends in Italy would characterize each and every one of these interventions as proactive in the sense we are using the term here. For all I know, that's your position, too.

If you are wondering where I'm coming from theologically and politically on these matters, the people I'm on the same page with include Jean Bethke Elshtain, Elie Wiesel, Paul Berman, and Vaclav Havel.

My bringing in analogies from our own day necessarily opens can upon can of worms. I realize it is now my responsability to take the discussion further. These are very important issues, and I'd love to see a blogabout that focussed on them, with views ranging from principled pacifism to Realpolitik represented. I would like to see a broader discussion take place. Perhaps my objectionable statements will serve as a provocation to that end.

You are right to bring up the Cross in this context. The Cross, I think, places a huge question mark over reactive no less than proactive war. So where do we go from there?

Peter, the connection between Clare Short's gender and her approach to foreign policy is not one I made on my own. In any case, I mean to portray her opposition as principled and authentic, and to the extent that it derives from her thinking like a mother, not for that reason to be taken any less seriously. Quite the opposite.

To me the key passage is the account of the healing of Naaman the Syrian general. It's a passage that backs up Clare Short's viewpoint (or her viewpoint as I understand it). There is a sense in which the need to do right by a single human being (for example, by not sending him off to get killed in Iraq) outweighs the need to come to the aid of a nation in thrall (Iraq again. And it doesn't help to point out that the US and other nations went to war for other reasons. At issue here is why people like Makiya and Berman, not to mention Tony Blair, supported going to war for the "right" reasons).

Like the Cross, God's choice to heal Himmler (so to speak) so that he could fight another day throws all calculations out the window.

What would Jesus do? We know what Jesus did. That doesn't quite answer the question: what should we do. Or if it does, it means we should all be pacifists pure and simple.

I would appreciate further discussion of this issue, John. I've linked to the comment section of this post here. The post itself is rather wide-ranging, and not a direct response to your post. However, it is definitely relevant.

john--

when isaiah talks about the actions of armies and nations outside of israel or judah, how does he get this information? what do the communication chains and relationships inside and outside israel and judah look like, and over what time periods do they function? how 'timely' and accurate are any messages or bits of information?

Scott,

a book I would recommend as a window into the world of 8th-6th centuries BCE is "How the Bible Became a Book: The Textualization of Ancient Israel," by William M. Schniedewind. Cambridge University Press, 257 pp.

There are others who think of 8th -7th cent. Judah as an isolated mountain kingdom which did not share in the interconnected world we know of from a variety of ANE sources, but I think it's telling that archaeology has shown Jerusalem to be at a peak of expansion precisely in this period.

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