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John, as always you continue to educate and provoke new thoughts. Reading Kevin's comments leads me to note ruefully that as an Anglican I belong to a church that has never quite decided on the practical (as opposed to doctrinal) limits of the (OT) canon. I would also note that (at least in terms of some of our ealier theologians, but particularly those coming from the late 19th century catholic revival) Anglicanism comes closer than most churches to Orthodoxy in privileging the interpreters of what they liked to call "the undivided church" i.e. the bit without the heretics.
That's by-the-by beacuse the question this update has really prompted me to consider is the question of discordance between the different books that now nestle concordantly in a single canon, which question I've developed a bit more on my blog.

Good notes, John, and I certainly do rejoice! I don't see Orthodoxy the same way as you, of course, perhaps through having an insider's greater familiarity with its history, just as you're more familiar with the (to me utterly mysterious) Waldensians. Orthodox theology isn't just a thing of the first six centuries. Though the last Ecumenical Council proper was in 787, certain local councils and opinions hold a de facto ecumenical status. Similarly, the confrontation with heresy, though less frequent from the Seventh Council onward, and the resultant definition of Orthodoxy continued, there being a wealth of theological writing, pride of place perhaps going to the works of St Gregory Palamas of the fourteenth century. We never had a Reformation, never needing one, thanks very much. Western (Roman or Protestant) questions and issues are sometimes simply incomprehensible to Orthodox because even the bases of our philosophies are radically different at this point. I could go on....

I think this further illustrates that the problem lies with Eastern Orthodoxy simply being extremely unfamiliar in the West, which fact no one can really argue with. The lines of division have been in place for a long, long time now, and the distant cousins back East are rather forgotten. Admittedly, we Orthodox need to get our act in gear to better (and more quickly) inform everyone about Orthodoxy. Translations of the Church Fathers, ancient and modern, are proceeding, and different outreach programs are happening more frequently, but it's all just beginning. So, give it time, hopefully not too much, and we should have a better-known and more comprehensible presence.

In the meantime, a fine general introduction was penned by Timothy (now Bishop Kallistos) Ware, titled The Orthodox Church (Second Edition). I recommend it to all.

Thanks, Kevin, for your remarks and gentle correction. The riches of Orthodoxy deserve to be widely known.

I have very good friends who switched from evangelicalism to Orthodoxy. The happiness they know seems profound to me.

It seems profound to us, too!

We are under no illusions. We bear the awesome responsibility for sharing the Faith better, for becoming more like the fine examples by which Orthodoxy has changed parts of the world, like Sts Cyril and Methodius. We're working on it!

I will do my best to chime in shortly ... your work had a lot to think about, and I want to give a thoughtful response.

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